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Make tabs wider and bring back separating lines

Not on our current roadmap

The new Proton
design looks amazing. However, the redesigned tab bar confuses me a lot. In the
new design, tabs are too narrow horizontally, and separating lines between tabs
are removed. Not much of the titles are shown when ~10 tabs are opened. I find
it hard to locate the tabs I need, as shown in the attached image. This gets
worse when some tabs don't have a favicon. Please make tabs wider and bring
back separating lines between tabs.

edited on Jun 2, 2021 by zhangyuesai
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Asa Dotzler 9 months ago

Status label added: Pending approval

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Asa Dotzler 9 months ago

Status label added: Open to the community

Status label removed: Pending approval

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Asa Dotzler 9 months ago

Thanks for submitting! Your idea is now posted to the public for votes and comments. Should it gain enough momentum here, our Product team will review it for potential adoption.

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Tali Eichner 9 months ago

How much is enough momentum?

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RCG 1337 9 months ago

Who knows? Probably more than the traffic they actually get around here. What's the point of having a place for feedback if it's mostly ignored?

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Jon Siddoway 6 months ago

We're working on determining a required number of votes, but for now we'll be bringing the top ideas per challenge to our product team for review.

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1 31 8 months ago

I registered an account solely to add to this voice, which is stupidly unnecessary considering I already have a Firefox account.

Why the needlessly frustrating "feature"??

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Jon Siddoway 7 months ago

We're catching up on all the ideas, but are now ready to bring the most-voted ones to the product team for a review.

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firefoxfan432 9 months ago

I have to totally agree. This new visual design is less useful when it comes to tabs. When I have a lot of tabs open.. .its hard to find the current tab and they all blend together. There should be some sort of separator like before. Just all blends together and doesn't look better in my opinion.

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MN Advantage 9 months ago

Nobody likes the tab redesign. On Reddit there are multiple threads with hundreds of comments devoted to find ways to revert that. Before 91.0 it was possible to revert it by changing some settings in about:config but with 91.0 those settings are now ignored even though they are not removed.
Forcing a redesign that nobody likes onto everyone really sucks.

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SimonInAix 9 months ago

Totally agree - maybe the folk at Mozilla are right and the new design will be much better - but why ensure that anyone wanting to have the old style has to jump through hoops to get there - reminds me of Apple and 'we know whats best for you' attitude.
Come on Mozilla, I went through this loop of browser companies ensuring that their browser was regressing with Opera some years ago - please don't push me away!
A simple option for 'with tab delineators/without' would suffice

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Lyubomir 7 months ago

That's not true, i like it. The world is not black and white and people are not the same! I don't want lines between them because for me fluid is beautiful. My tabs are really small because i have 44 tabs now and i haven't clicked the wrong tab even when I'm using touchpad mostly now. For me the favicons serve as delimiter, so i click to the right of them. It's not complicated physics. This should not be removed, maybe making it an option in "Customize Toolbar".

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Lal S 9 months ago

If you can do tab and address bar height less it would be better. And highly need separate line for tabs, for more than tabs you can do if hover on any tab within 50tabs that will spread horizontally to help read the title those have no favicons. and you can show a preview on hover on tabs. It will really helpful i got random feedback from peoples. Thanks

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Kieran Walsh 9 months ago

Please re-enable the options to turn Proton off.

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Michael 9 months ago

Please, give us the ability to revert to the classic UI. The disabling of the browser.proton flags was reasonably acceptable, but do you really not see how many people prefer the classic UI to the new design?

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Livestick 9 months ago

Oh, they know. They just don't care and they never will as long as we keep using their product. That's why everyone who wants the old UI back should switch to another browser. If enough people did it, they'd pretty much have to listen to us.

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Mark G 9 months ago

What other browser has features that we miss from prior FF? Chrome is a pile of useless crap. Edge is no better.

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RCG 1337 9 months ago

I'd like to know as well, I'm ready to switch.

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Chris 9 months ago

The tabs is one thing. I really miss the separation lines between tabs. It's all one big mess now.
But what really bothers me the most is the spacing in the menus. There is so much wasted space between bookmarks for example. I can see barely half the number of bookmarks compared to the old design.
If you want to keep that Proton stuff, please make the menu spacing configurable.

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Nicolas Escarpentier 9 months ago

+1 to having the option of turning proton back off

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Mátésh 9 months ago

Please, re-enable the option to disable proton. Please, please, please, don't ever make a user interface change that is not opt-out! Small change for you, but a huge frustration to the user. It's a browser. It doesn't need a series of annoying and pointless UI revamp every year just to show there are changes. I much more appreciate performance and other under the hood improvements.

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Mátésh 9 months ago

Great, downgrade "protection........" doesn't allow me to revert to 90.0.2 without making it an absolute and utter pain in the back side. What the hell happened to Firefox?

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RCG 1337 9 months ago

Stubborn developers that look down on feedback because they obviously know better than the users. That's what happened.

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Tudor Florea 9 months ago

Dear new Proton,
Read this:
Separatinglinesbetweentabsareremoved.Ifindithardtolocatethetabs.
Thanks

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WaveRider 9 months ago

Agree. The tabs now are just one long blurry mess. This is the worst tab design of any of the major browsers by far. It takes twice as long to navigate the tabs, besides causing eye strain.

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Aymous21 9 months ago

I have to agree with pretty much every other user here. While some of the new UI and layout choices look sleek, the decision to depart from the traditional tab style is jarring at best, and downright infuriating at worst!

Honestly, many of these changes in Proton (such as the tab style in particular) should have simply been settings or configs rather than requiring that I screw around with the CSS and settings for over an hour to fix something that didn't need to be broken in the first place.

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ColeM 9 months ago

I would like the option to not have the Proton design. I think it takes up too much space and really limits the amount of tabs that I can have open. now I have to use third party apps to get my functionality back.

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Durkonkell 9 months ago

Can't understand the purpose of this update, or of disabling the about:config options. Proton's tabs look absolutely awful if you have a lot open. Additionally, I don't know if this is a Windows 7 thing but I can see through the tabs to the icons on my desktop, which makes the text difficult and uncomfortable to parse, particularly in combination with tabs blending together.

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Protonis$hit 9 months ago

Another Windows 7 specific problem is the scroll bar is really wide (not to mention ugly), if you are using a large Windows scaling factor needed on large 4k screens. I measured the width of the scroll bar and it was nearly 2 inches wide.

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Lorenzo Gitti 9 months ago

It's a shame this no-choice for the UI. People who are visually impaired like me will need to switch to another browser after years of using Firefox!

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Mark G 9 months ago

FireFux 91 is a ADA inaccessible pile of crap. No lines between tabs. No tabs under bookmarks. Asinine colors and faded look. Microscopic icons with microscopicly thin lines, still without a Text under icons option as required by WCAG. Bookmarks
FF 91 'improvements' to reduce clutter is like taking the dashboard out of cars to reduce clutter. We use those things some ignorant person calls clutter.
FF requires too much memorizing of functions.
The update from today 8/14/21, is a total disaster.
What ignorant group thought these were improvements?
Every upgrade since Quantum has reduced accessibility for people with visual processing and memory disabilities.

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Al Newman 9 months ago

Does Mozilla delete posts and ideas that they object to? It appears they do. Are they afraid of the ADA requirements for Web Content Access. They made it so I cannot login to my Mark G account so I have to create an alias. Come on Mozilla.

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RCG 1337 9 months ago

They absolutely delete feedback they disagree with, even if it's constructive. Notice how there's no open discussion about Proton as a whole. Look through the moderators' deleted posts and see how many criticize the changes.

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Redn2000 8 months ago

They've deleted 2 of my suggestions so far about wanting to add a permanent option to disable this shitty new UI. They've gone from a company that's active pro power-user/user, to snobby elitism and ignoring or hating their users entirely. Thoroughly disappointing.

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Rod Zimmerman 9 months ago

On the next update, single space the Bookmarks list. Right now they are double spaced and this takes up way too much room.

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Tali Eichner 9 months ago

I really appreciate Firefox but I'm really frustrated that I spent ages working out how to revert the UI previously and with the new update it's undone all that work. I don't see any benefit to the floating tabs and just find it hard to make sense of what I'm looking at now. If Mozilla thinks this is an improvement but many users don't, why not offer an option to turn it on or off?

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25852Dan 9 months ago

Please give back the option to disable Proton UI changes. Before, these unwanted changes could be disabled through about:config, but now the latest version of firefox ignores the settings to disable Proton. Please give us back the choice.

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ArtyBoomshaka 9 months ago

I created an account specifically to add to this issue. The new tabs are illegible and take way too much vertical space.
Separators or even a different color from the background would help legibility and just... Why would they need to take that much vertical space? They're bigger than the address/tool bar!

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Mátésh 9 months ago

I'd also like to add that the reason for making the tabs taller seems to be that statuses (page on tab plays sound, media play status) that was previously indicated using small icons, is now written out in text.
This is a move in the opposite direction where most UI designs are heading. It is well known, especially in the industry where I work, that pictograms, gauges and bars are much easier and quicker for any human to interpret, than reading text. If one looks at a PLC display, critical parameters of the system are represented on a gauge or a bar. Of course, values are written out as well for accuracy, but being able to take a glance at a set of gauges, it's easy to spot what is getting out of the normal.
Having the icons was great, everyone got used to them by now, and now the tabs have been made taller just to change something that worked very well to these written statuses like "Playing" or "Autoplay blocked" which take a lot longer to interpret. From a UI design perspective I don't see any good reason for this change.

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Richard Ward 9 months ago

I'm not sure who thought it was a good idea to remove the vertical lines between the tabs, but they must not be a heavy internet user... the lack of tab definition gets especially bad once you've hit about 15-20 tabs. And don't even get me started on pinned tabs. I don't care so much about the changes otherwise, but bring back that vertical line between tabs please!

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Mental Floss 9 months ago

I am so annoyed that I have had to (historically) spend so much time in the about:config changing things that are just common sense. The latest is the removal of tab dividers and then the subsequent removal of the ability to change this. Wake up Mozilla. We hate this and it's sad to see what was once the most incredible browser nose-diving into oblivion. Sort it out post-haste or I'm out.

Have a look at my screenshot. 89 Left side vs 90 Right side.

Which set of tabs is easier to read?

Oh yeah, also annoyed that I had to sign up just to come here and point out the obvious.

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Protonis$hit 9 months ago

Agreed. I signed up just to voice my disdain for the current "leadership" and their apparently intentional implosion of this browser

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Toad-Hall 9 months ago

Thunderbird Support Forum is getting complains because the floating tabs and no discernable method of showing separate tabs does not take into consideration those with less than perfect vision. It is a non-inclusive design. Visually it is a disaster as all the tabs merge into one and you do not need a vision impairment to experience this. People generally do not like new changes and recently the changes have not been received very well. Basically, people do not like the changes if they make it harder to use and this particular issue is a case in point. Having space / separators in the correct place makes for easier reading and locating information which is best expressed if repeat myself: Havingspace/separatorsinthecorrectplacemakesforeasierreadingandlocatinginformationwhichisbestexpressedifIrepeatmyself:
Please take this very seriously.

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Redn2000 9 months ago

Has anyone had any UserChrome luck to get rid of this ugly mess? I absolutely cannot stand how everything is rounded out in this new version. And the tabs are probably the worst part.

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Protonis$hit 9 months ago

I was a Firefox supporter and purist since 2002. Not anymore. Forcing this terrible GUI is the last straw. I weep for the future of mankind

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hkdgh hglghj 9 months ago

Had to register here just to comment about how shit proton is in general. I've had to go back to FF 88

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Johann Schwarzbart 9 months ago

Hallo,

absoluter Mist, was Firefox wieder mit den Abständen (Lesezeiche usw.) produziert hat, die nicht mehr zu ändern sind. Bleibt nur noch die Möglichkeit firefox zu verlassen. Die Leute dort werden immer "gescheiter" bzw. haben keine Ahnung, was die meisten Kunden eigentlich wollen.

Joe

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Gary Broadbent 9 months ago

This does a decent job:
https://www.askvg.com/tip-new-working-method-...later-versions/

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Chris 9 months ago

Thank you. That worked for me. The only thing that remains is the "PLAYING" text in the tab instead of the speaker icon. But I can live with that.

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CF1218 9 months ago

Please please please bring back lines between tabs. My tabs look like a blurry mess and all blend together now. Scrolling through them and finding what I want is unpleasant. I previously tried disabling it but now that option is gone too! It's something I will switch to Chrome over if it's not addressed!

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RCG 1337 9 months ago

It wont be addressed. There's feedback going back for months without comment from the developers. Pretty clear they want us gone.

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pj 9 months ago

Sorry but I second everyone, and I registered just to post it: what you did with the tabs is possibly the worst idea yet. I'm switching to some other browser and will not be coming back until this is addresed.

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Voltage Five 9 months ago

Please add clear separation between inactive tabs as soon as possible.
The new tab design is very counter productive, and it pains me how there is no way to disable them easily for v91.

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nce11 8 months ago

Found a solution to this problem, switched to Chrome until it is fixed

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Lyubomir 7 months ago

I really like the new redesign. The world is not black and white and people are not the same! I don't want lines between tabs because for me fluid is beautiful. My tabs are really small because i have 44 tabs now and i haven't clicked the wrong tab even when I'm using touchpad mostly now. For me the favicons serve as delimiter, so i click to the right of them. It's not complicated physics. This should not be removed, maybe making it an option in "Customize Toolbar".

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Jon Siddoway 7 months ago

Status label added: Mozilla considering

Status label removed: Open to the community

Hey all, 

Here with some exciting news…

Your idea has emerged as a top idea in this category and will now be reviewed by the product team at Mozilla. As soon as we have another update on its status, we’ll let you know right here in the comment section.

Stay tuned =)

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No Name 6 months ago

Separating lines +1, more padding -1.

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Archit Sasta 6 months ago

I agree! This is something everyone will agree, i've seen people complain about the proton update because the tabs are now more confusing and less usable. It sure does look modern but the design should be revised heavily to make it more usable.

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Jon Siddoway 2 months ago

Status label added: Not on our current roadmap

Status label removed: Mozilla reviewing

Hey all,

Back with an update after our teams have reviewed this idea...

We appreciate your post and all the supporting comments, but unfortunately this is not something we are able to address now. While this feature is not a fit for us right now, we will review it again down the road and update the status if accepted.

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Brian Handscomb 2 months ago

This is sad news... Firefox 78ESR IMHO remains for some a more visually accessible version than 91ESR which due to timing meant ESR went from a browser with only Photon/Quantum to one with only Proton.

I've had an issue with one 91ESR where the title bar turns off every launch no matter what I do. Granted that is a bug not an idea.

Feels like the "current" Firefox browser is just not something I feel I can use anymore.

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Jon Siddoway 2 months ago

Hey Brian, sorry to hear this! Yea, please submit any bug reports to Buzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/). And if you have some ideas for new features that you believe would improve the Firefox experience, let us know. We've actually moved this community to https://connect.mozilla.org/ and are doing some really exciting things there, including hosting discussions with Mozilla product managers.

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James 2 months ago

Is Crowdicity being replaced by Connect?

Also, why is FF making so many silly changes which it's users mostly seem to dislike (hate)? Why fix something that isn't broken? Like with the last update; every time a download finishes it opens the download button's menu. I'm not dumb. I know where the button is, and I can easily see it's progress.

Over the past year or so I feel like FF wants to push longtime users away.

Surely you guys have beta testers? And surely they represent multiple demographics? And surely you get feedback on usability/functionality? And surely you wouldn't implement some abstract 'feature' or change, just because you can... or would you?

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